The birth pangs of the left or the strange death ? lets wait and see

I was reading a Matthew Engel`s article asking the question ..Are we seeing the strange Death of Labour England? He based his approach on a hook called " The Strange Death of Liberal England by Dangerfield . IT dealt with the decline of the Liberal Party at the turn of the 20th century . Between 1906 and 1924 the old Liberal Party went from 400 mps to 40. I think we are in a very different situation in 2017. It's true that old style corporate conservative Labour that we know so well in Wales is in trouble. However Momentum and other groups rather show is an evolutionary beginning. However the attraction is of UKIP to traditional Labour voters ..It can never with its economic outlook offer along term option.. UKIP is right wing, conservative and has no long term interest in a powerful working class. In the end the scales will fall from their eyes as It fall from the eyes of the Trump voters in the rust belt.....Reality will dawn. The role of the Green Party will be similar to the relationship between the Communist Party and the Labour Party was for the early 20th century. The difference will be that there will be no Soviet Style Society to destroy the Greens or indeed a Eastern European block like the Warsaw Pact.

The job of the Greens will be an intellectual ,radical source of ideas for the Left and to jeep Labour honest. Labour is not in danger of death, it is evolving, transforming and building ...It must keep its nerve and not to ape UKIP lite policies. We live in an age of false consciousness ...The Left must keep its nerve. The future is being formed... I include comments from two friends on my speculations I wrote while travelling in by the X50 this morning..

One commented ….....

“Well said martyn. I recall someone saying around 1990 - to much fanfare among the neo liberal intelligentsia - that 'history had ended'. How wrong he was! Brexit and Trump's election doesn't mean history has ended and the alt right and their fellow travellers have established permanent hegemony. The progressive forces of resistance are growing and are in good health ;) “

and another  But will the Labour Party survive in its present form? It currently has a left wing head (Corbyn) and a right-wing body (PLP and Welsh Red Tories). How long will this Frankenparty continue? Is it desirable that it does? The Phoenix rises from the ashes of itself, not from a still living but crippled body. For me and many others Labour is the party that bailed out the banks in 2008, while doing nothing to relieve the spiralling personal debts of millions and the many small businesses faced with bankruptcy - after the Credit Crunch. This made Labour a traitor to the people in my view. Personally, I'd rather see the Labour Party die and be replaced with a socialistic official opposition, such as Momentum. Or a new Progressive Party incorporating the Greens, Plaid Cymru, and others (but not the Lib Dems, due to Cl egg's treachery and Fallon's questionable stance on LGBT+).”

Contributions were by Leigh Richards and Graham Mallaghan.

I think this topic must be considered in more depth and may have more direction after the Copeland and Stoke on Trent bylections next week.....